tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post1603739689407234771..comments2023-11-30T06:32:59.453-06:00Comments on Brian Leiter's Nietzsche Blog: The Continental Traditions in Philosophy vs. "Party Line Continentalists"Brian Leiterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08749548844483929392noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-29039554621479289292012-03-23T12:25:10.388-06:002012-03-23T12:25:10.388-06:00Prof Leiter,
Initially I was weary of what I und...Prof Leiter, <br /><br />Initially I was weary of what I understood to be a harsh treatment of 'continental/SPEP' type departments. This post has cleared up my confusion significantly.<br /><br />I would have to agree with you that at times the scholarly for these programs level isn't too concerned with important threads of thought understood by studying the history of philosophy.<br Stan Slaterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12886163875043041161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-79044042621575441402012-03-12T15:59:21.182-06:002012-03-12T15:59:21.182-06:00When I started studying philosophy many years ago,...When I started studying philosophy many years ago, the "analytic school" took very little interest in historical perspectives and questioning presuppositions ("seeing through"). Mostly it was the continental types who were engaged in this. Now we have a great deal of work in "analytic philosophy" which is historically oriented and investigates presuppositions (e.g,Ed Engelmannnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-11960477103960418822011-01-25T00:13:10.234-06:002011-01-25T00:13:10.234-06:00скачать игры 2011 скачать игры 2011<a href="http://www.rutubes.net/soft/sistema/" rel="nofollow">скачать игры 2011</a> скачать игры 2011Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-55460080335357666992010-10-23T00:02:22.948-06:002010-10-23T00:02:22.948-06:00Hey, we already have them over in literature, and ...Hey, we already have them over in literature, and they are doing a great deal of harm, so I don't want them over here, either. <br /><br />And you shouldn't want them over here, either. The historical dialogue between literature and philosophy more than suggests that you shouldn't want that in the least.Troy Camplinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16515578686042143845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-43296830024204925022009-12-17T13:08:43.508-06:002009-12-17T13:08:43.508-06:00PART III (and final)
At this pole, we do not shar...PART III (and final)<br /><br />At this pole, we do not sharply distinguish between poetry and philosophy, literature or scholarship. Whereas a scholar describes an object of inquiry, the philosopher, in the evocative mode, exemplifies that object itself, goes "inside". (We might even call up, here, Bergson's remarks about the distinction between what he called "relative" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-67969220900664426442009-12-17T13:08:13.069-06:002009-12-17T13:08:13.069-06:00PART II
The analytic school disciplines their wor...PART II<br /><br />The analytic school disciplines their work by means of rational argumentation (though, modeled on various logical calculi formalized early in the 20th cent.) But this only characterizes a certain *style*: the tendency to break apart(*lysis*)so as to understand by building up the broken-down pieces into an intellectual whole. Analyzes pieces first, whole later.<br />In tension Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-89442976789735380112009-12-17T13:07:32.462-06:002009-12-17T13:07:32.462-06:00PART I
Dear Prof. Leiter,
While it is true that ...PART I<br /><br />Dear Prof. Leiter,<br /><br />While it is true that the terms 'analytic philosophy' and 'continental tradition', etc., are in some sense "absurd generalizations", I think you've largely missed the point because you are caught up in the thing that's being critiqued: analysis.<br />OK, not that analysis is a bad thing. Of course not (I've got Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-1389235564373025882009-11-26T09:19:15.820-06:002009-11-26T09:19:15.820-06:00Since the absurd generalizations about "Conti...Since the absurd generalizations about "Continentals" and "analytics" in the last comment have no basis in fact, I was tempted not to post this, but since Mr. Kaye put his name to this, I've put it up. In its own way, it is instructive about part of the problem.Brian Leiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749548844483929392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-6648806248285089662009-11-25T23:35:05.504-06:002009-11-25T23:35:05.504-06:00"Anyone who thinks deeply will ultimately thi..."Anyone who thinks deeply will ultimately think himself out of all political parties..." Nietzsche, somewhere in my trusty old Portable Nietzsche Kaufmann edition...sodapopinski51https://www.blogger.com/profile/08105909896337412511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-14697263651484509672009-11-25T23:35:05.505-06:002009-11-25T23:35:05.505-06:00Interesting post, but ultimately it misses the poi...Interesting post, but ultimately it misses the point. "Continentals" are typically interested in philosophy as a creative expression, hence they turn towards Zarathustra and say something like "On Truth and Lying in an Extra-Moral Sense" as being perfectly legitimate forms of philosophical discourse even in lieu of their illogical aspects. Foucault and Deleuze, and even Bradley Kayehttp://www.radicalontology.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-6041498794015842062009-11-18T09:21:43.038-06:002009-11-18T09:21:43.038-06:00Indeed, "Samuel C." is not the kind of a...Indeed, "Samuel C." is not the kind of ally Party Line Continentals need. The Dunning-Kruger Effect strikes again!Brian Leiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749548844483929392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-76774407002114847592009-11-17T20:47:00.434-06:002009-11-17T20:47:00.434-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tim Themihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558876148930682134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-11387304441100816592009-11-17T20:39:06.449-06:002009-11-17T20:39:06.449-06:00I assume Brian approved the last comment as a redu...I assume Brian approved the last comment as a reductio of the Party Line position.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-37381425658982907832009-11-17T19:03:40.124-06:002009-11-17T19:03:40.124-06:00It's hilarious that Brian disavows any specifi...It's hilarious that Brian disavows any specific program to analytic philosophy, but then assigns a very particular reading of Heidegger and post-structuralism as the identity of Continental philosophy. What a vicious cycle!<br /><br />Continental and analytic aren't two different 'styles' of philosophy, they are competing conceptions of what philosophy should be. It's little Samuel C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-33089227669081191142009-11-17T09:10:00.300-06:002009-11-17T09:10:00.300-06:00"a kind of retarded puberty and sign language..."a kind of retarded puberty and sign language mixed with an evangelical, ecstatic state stemming of the belief that God's Love [in the case of Jesus], or the Truth of Being [in the case of Heidegger], is here, now, and makes us blessed, if only we'd open our eyes to it."<br />This perfectly illustrates my point - assuming that this poster is not merely trying to mock Brian'sabuemmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14731137934917887487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-7352872628519798182009-11-17T07:46:03.553-06:002009-11-17T07:46:03.553-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tim Themihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558876148930682134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-8647219443245954112009-11-16T16:11:18.704-06:002009-11-16T16:11:18.704-06:00I am now calling an end to the Ivan I./Mark L. deb...I am now calling an end to the Ivan I./Mark L. debate about the Stanley & Williamson paper. It has been an instructive exchange, for which I thank them both, but it shouldn't take over the thread from the main topic. Thanks.Brian Leiterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08749548844483929392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-42353074855091753912009-11-16T16:00:04.866-06:002009-11-16T16:00:04.866-06:00Mark (I have no idea why I called you John, apolog...Mark (I have no idea why I called you John, apologies about that!),<br /><br />I certainly don't believe that Stanley or Williamson have much love for or interest in the various people we've kept mentioning. So I'm not that far from you in demanding more regard for those (plus I have a great deal of respect for Haugeland and Dreyfus, although I still think they are wrong in their Ivan V.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-47469307330617630882009-11-16T15:30:13.698-06:002009-11-16T15:30:13.698-06:00As an advanced grad student in a Comparative Liter...As an advanced grad student in a Comparative Literature department with very close family members who happen to be so-called "analytic philosophers" (I don't know what else to call them, but they are certainly ultra-skeptical of "party line continentals) I believe that I am in a unique position to comment on this discussion.<br /><br />I agree with FK's comment, FRWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-18191574430475465942009-11-16T11:55:11.242-06:002009-11-16T11:55:11.242-06:00Brian-
This is perhaps not to the point, but I&#...Brian-<br /><br /><br />This is perhaps not to the point, but I'm curious what you (and/or Deleuze) mean by saying the phenomenology is a contemporary form of Scholasticism?<br /><br />-MandelManuel "Mandel" Cabrera Jr.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-6442769885632640762009-11-16T03:11:12.051-06:002009-11-16T03:11:12.051-06:00Slightly surprised and worried about the inclusion...Slightly surprised and worried about the inclusion of Dundee under the label of 'party line C.' My work on Deleuze and much of the work by my colleagues (on Bergson and so on) is not fixed by Heideggerian phenomenology. In fact, I had hoped to give scholarly and approachable readings of Deleuze of the positive kind you advocate. So I am not convinced that your inclusion of Dundee in your Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13236763707931683890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-1175766869481279322009-11-15T19:14:05.928-06:002009-11-15T19:14:05.928-06:00Ivan:
"As long as Dreyfus or Haugeland do no...Ivan: <br />"As long as Dreyfus or Haugeland do not bring any distinct account to the table (which they arguably don't)" <br /><br />I'm sorry, but that is just absurd. <br /><br /> But even if it weren't, my point is not about whether they are ultimately original, right, etc. It is irrelevant whether it is aruABLE that they bring no account to the table. It is also abuemmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14731137934917887487noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-63284821620525838432009-11-15T19:08:42.006-06:002009-11-15T19:08:42.006-06:00I'm not a philosopher, although I am a lifelo...I'm not a philosopher, although I am a lifelong (I'm 63) reader of Nietzsche. What Brian says of the Party Line Continentalists, that they are "careless readers" of Nietzsche seems not only true, but perhaps the central point. Nietzsche demands careful reading and rereading.s. wallersteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17448905469871566228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-29246871238396172922009-11-15T18:04:09.357-06:002009-11-15T18:04:09.357-06:00John,
The issue I have with relying on authoritie...John,<br /><br />The issue I have with relying on authorities which are notoriously difficult to interpret should be obvious: 1) rather than Dreyfus, S n W should have directly engaged with Heidegger to get a better account of coping. However, 2) it is very probable that what Heidegger believes about coping will turn out to be orthogonal to the debate between intellectualists and Ivan V. Ivanovnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4373556239088388790.post-25044555336181907712009-11-15T16:56:12.141-06:002009-11-15T16:56:12.141-06:00John: I think I take Derrida seriously. Tried to ...John: I think I take Derrida seriously. Tried to read most of his work. I don't have Brian's view of him, but I don't think he is a great philosopher, and not remotely in the league of Foucault. Surely your principle can't be that one must take everyone ever taken seriously in France equally seriously. There are certainly people well respected in "analytic" circles abuemmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14731137934917887487noreply@blogger.com